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Plus: Berlin weighs in.
Hi Intriguer. As you open this newsletter, the first mail-in ballots are arriving in Alabama mailboxes. In other words, the election has officially begun for millions of Americans, which means Tuesday nightās debate was the last major political event before they make their choice.
67.1 million Americans tuned in to Tuesdayās debate. For context, 124 million watched the 2024 Super Bowl, 28.6 million watched the Olympics opening ceremony, and about 10 million folks tune in weekly to a show called Tracker, which I confess I have never heard of.
Put simply, a lot of people watched the debate in the US, and thatās before we consider how many have seen clips of it on social media, heard the talking headsā hot takes, or seen the excellent memes. I guess my point is that, given how many people watched this debate it must affect the outcome; the problem is that no one really knows how.
Thankfully, our job is to analyze the candidates' answers during the debate to see if we can discern a coherent foreign policy from either of them. Spoiler alertāwe canā¦ if we squint.
But if you take only one thing from Tuesday night's debate, let it be the extraordinarily useful response to the impertinent prying of a boss or other authority figure: āNo I do not yet have a plan, but I have the concepts of a plan.ā
- John Fowler & Kristen Talman in Washington DC
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The Conversation
What Debate 2.0 told us about the future of US foreign policy
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As the old saying goes, there are no votes in foreign policy. Well, someone forgot to tell Tuesday nightās debate moderators, Linsey Davis and David Muir, who asked at least three direct questions on foreign policy, and a number of follow-up questions as well.
While we were pleased, we didnāt get many direct answers from the candidates. Thatās because Kamala Harris avoided answering many of the questions put to her (and was largely unpressed on this by the moderators), while Donald Trump regularly uncorked what he calls āThe Weaveā, but what weād call the bewildering non-sequiturs of a man who didnāt adequately prepare for the job at hand.
Nevertheless, their answers did reveal certain things about each candidate's foreign policy, which was the subject of our conversation this week.
P.S. Weāre in the final straight now, so weāll be including Election Intrigueās latest electoral college map each week. This is our best understanding of the state of the race based on polls, our sources and observations, and a sprinkling of unquantifiable āgut feelingā. Do with it what you will!
A summary of this weekās conversation:
What we thought about the debate in general: It will come as no surprise that we think it was a tough night for former President Trump. He missed multiple opportunities to deliver his campaignās message and to tie Vice President Harris to unpopular elements of the Biden-Harris administration. He seemed angry and too often spoke about his personal grievances rather than those of the American people.
At the same time, we thought Vice President Harris was at times evasive and spoke in generalisations when it came to foreign policy. Overall, we think she passed the basic test of presenting herself to the American voters as a plausible commander-in-chief.
As always, the moderatorsā performance was a Rorschach test for your political leanings. If youāre a Trump supporter, the moderators favored Harris by not pressing her for concrete answers, particularly on her changes in policy over the years. If youāre a Harris supporter, they correctly fact-checked former President Trumpās false claims, while allowing the debate flow. You can even make the argument that ābiasedā moderators actually work to Trumpās advantageāif he has a great night, itās despite the biased media; if he has a bad night, itās because of the biased media.
Notwithstanding the fact that moderating a debate in this political climate is the devilās own job, we think, on balance, they did favor Harris slightly. But, as Republican strategist Scott Jennings said on CNN, āitās a little hard to blame the refs when youāre not hitting your own jump shotsā.On China: Regular Election Intriguers know that we believe China is the single most important foreign policy issue facing the US. So you can imagine our delight when it was raised just a few minutes into the debate. Trump was asked about his promise to increase tariffs on China, a policy the Harris campaign has called a ānational sales taxā. He responded by saying if Harris thought tariffs were so bad, why had the Biden administration kept in place almost all of Trumpās tariffs? Even though economists mostly agree that tariffs increase prices domestically, it was a strong moment for Trump. Harris responded by highlighting the Biden administrationās efforts to pass the CHIPS Act and initiate export controls on leading-edge semiconductor manufacturing technology to China.
Overall, we think both candidates will maintain the USā current posture towards China, perhaps tweaking tariff levels but otherwise trying to maintain the bipartisan status quo. Notably, Trump was not asked about abandoning a TikTok ban, and neither candidate was asked what they would do in the event China attacked Taiwan.On Ukraine: The sharpest point of difference in foreign policy was Russiaās invasion of Ukraine. Donald Trump repeatedly said he would āend the war in a dayā before he takes office. Trumpās unwillingness to answer the obvious follow-up question of āhowā allowed Harris to speculate he would essentially give Eastern Ukraine to Russia. The candidates sparred over NATOās roleāHarris offered a full-throated defense of the "greatest military alliance in historyā while Trump reiterated his popular position that Europe should pay more for its own security. Notably, Trump refused to be drawn on whether he thought Ukraine winning the war was in the USā best interests (John has some views on why he was reluctant to answer in the podcast).
Overall: Trump sounded angry during this portion of the debate. Trump was smart to raise the specter of nuclear weapons and World War III numerous times because it's a concern weāve heard echoed multiple times during focus groups weāve sat in on. Trump said that America under Biden āwas going to hellā, something heās said before but sounded even starker during this debate. If you had told us that in 2024, the Democrats would be the party of āPatriotismā and the Republicans would be the party of self-hatred, weād have told you to get your head examined.
Harris made a powerful defense of Americaās role in the world, arguing that defending free countries against invasions is what Americans do. We are left with little doubt that a Harris presidency would be fairly orthodox when it comes to supporting Ukraine, NATO, and European allies in general.On the Middle East: If Donald Trumpās promise to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours is short on detail, then so is Harrisās neatly crafted line that āIsrael has a right to defend itself, but how it does so mattersā. We bet the comms adviser who came up with that line was pretty chuffed, but what does it actually mean? What ideas does she have to end the conflict that havenāt been tried by President Biden? For his part, Trump rolled out his well-practiced line that āIran was broke under my presidency, so this would never have happened.ā Itās also a clever piece of political messaging. not least because it canāt be fact-checked.
Overall: Both candidatesā positions on Gaza are designed to win the election rather than give us insight into how they might solve the problem. That is to say, neither appears willing to put meat on the bones of a solution and risk upsetting one side or the other. We expect Harris would continue Bidenās policy of publicly pressuring Israel into a ceasefire while supporting them militarily. Netanyahu and Biden do not get along, so Harris may have more success simply because she is not Biden.
Our best guess at Trumpās approach would be to extrapolate from his first term in office. This means heād give a freer hand to Israel, Saudi Arabia, and other regional players to resolve the issue while hammering Iran rhetorically and perhaps militarily.So whatās next? About an hour after the debate, Harrisā campaign called for a second debate. Trumpāclearly unhappy with his performance despite his campaignās spin to the contraryārefused to commit to a rematch. This is Trump, the showman at work, trying to draw attention away from the first debate and onto the āwill-he-wonāt-heā speculation about a second debate that is catnip for so many in the media (including us, we suppose!). Our gut tells us thereāll be a second debate because he needs a do-over and sheās clearly brimming with confidence. The biggest sticking point might be agreeing on the moderators.
Only 53 days to go.
Remember: This race remains a toss-up, and anyone who tells you otherwise is a very silly sausage!
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Where in the world isā¦
President Joe Biden is in Washington, where he received his daily briefing. He has a 5:45 p.m. South Lawn speech on the calendar.
Vice President Kamala Harris is holding campaign events in North Carolina, first in Charlotte and then in Greensboro.
Democrat Vice President Nominee Tim Walz is campaigning in Grand Rapids, Michigan.
Republican nominee Donald Trump is delivering remarks in Tucson, Arizona.
Secretary of State Antony Blinken met with Polish Foreign Minister RadosÅaw Sikorski in the morning Warsaw time, concluding his travels to the United Kingdom, Ukraine, and Poland this week.
World View
How the World Watched the Debate
You can bet your last dollar that capitals around the world tuned into the debate, jotting down notes on how the future American president views the world. Also because debates are like fodder for political nerds.
This is how papers across the globe reported on the debate:
š«š· Harris, on offense, wins debate against Trump - Le Monde, Paris, France
Intrigueās take: Le Monde got straight to the point, declaring Harris the winner right up top while noting that Trump looked āoldā and that Harris passed her ācredibilityā test.
šØš³ Trump is doomed: Harris needed one gesture - RIA Novosti, Moscow, Russia
Intrigueās take: Surely, considering Putin āendorsedā Vice President Kamala Harris, this was welcomed as good news in Moscow? 4D chess again from the Kremlin. š
š®š± In Fiery Presidential Debate, Harris Says Gaza War Must End as Trump Accuses Her of Hating Israel - Haaretz, Tel Aviv, Israel
Intrigueās take: Stopping short of declaring a winner, Israeli media discussed Trumpās poor performance and both candidatesā comments on Israel.
šš° Kamala Harris, Donald Trump clash over China, tariffs in US presidential debate ā as it happened - South China Morning Post, Hong Kong
Intrigueās take: Mainland Chinese media continued its restrained coverage of the election, avoiding substantial commentary on the debateās talk of hiking tariffs and being tough on Beijing. Hong Kongās SCMP wrote that the candidates āclashedā over China but otherwise kept the editorializing to a minimum.
TWEET OF THE WEEK
Credit: X
A good rule of diplomatic thumb is not to wade into the domestic politics of any nation. Thatās why ambassadors and foreign politicians give non-answers like that the US election is the āwill of the American peopleā and that they will āwork with whoever is elected.ā Take it from a former diplomat, foreign ministries very much have a preferred outcome for just about every election in the world!
Thatās why we raised an eyebrow when the German foreign ministry decided to tweet the quiet bit out loud early Wednesday morning. The response, or so it appears online, seems to be that Germany would be wise to avoid smugly commenting on the US election, even when they feel they need to correct the record.
The best diplomacy is very often about what is left conspicuously unsaid.
What weāre reading
Poll
Will there be a second debate? |
Last weekās poll: Will China come up in the Sept. 10 debate?
š©š©š©š©š©š© ā Yes, it's a pocketbook issue. (60%)
ā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø ā No, voters aren't interested. (5%)
šØšØšØā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø š Maybe, US-China news has made headlines this week. (33%)
ā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø āļø Other (Write us!) (2%)
Your two cents:
š W.L: āChina has been making inroads into the US economy for several decades. It amazes me that people are just beginning to notice this.ā
ā E.K.H: āLooking tough on China is a winning move for either candidate. If they're not asked, expect them to bring it up themselves.ā
āļø G.G: āFind common ground and advance it. At the same time protect US intellectual property. ā
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Debate poll: Less than two months out from the US presidential election, who do you think will win?
šØā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø š Donald Trump (21%)
š©š©š©š©š©š© š“ Kamala Harris (67%)
šØā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø š Wild card! (11%)
ā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļøā¬ļø āļø Other (write in!) (1%)
š“ C.F: āHarris. Enthusiasm matters.ā
š B. C: āTrump's followers are insanely dedicated.ā
š C.G: āPolls have shown an extremely tight race for the whole election cycle. The key states that both of them need to win are all effectively tied.ā